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Mexican students learn struggles of immigrant workers
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Jose
2007-05-14 00:21:15 UTC
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Remote Access, NY - May 11, 2007

By CANDICE FERRETTE
THE JOURNAL NEWS


"There are students who don't think we're Mexican. Sometimes they'll
say, 'You don't look like a Mexican,' " said Galvez, who is tall,
light-skinned and stylish. "That's because for them a Mexican is a day
laborer or someone serving them food."

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070512/NEWS02/705120344/1018
j***@.
2007-05-14 00:38:26 UTC
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Post by Jose
Remote Access, NY - May 11, 2007
By CANDICE FERRETTE
THE JOURNAL NEWS
"There are students who don't think we're Mexican. Sometimes they'll
say, 'You don't look like a Mexican,' " said Galvez, who is tall,
light-skinned and stylish. "That's because for them a Mexican is a day
laborer or someone serving them food."
http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070512/NEWS02/705120344/1018
The title should have read:

Mexican students learn struggles of illegal alien workers
--
Tom Tancredo for President in 2008
For a Secure America
http://www.teamtancredo.org/
http://tancredo.house.gov/
Wes
2007-05-14 02:04:37 UTC
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A white person visiting from South Africa would not be referred to as
an African-American.
A black person from America would.

Mexicans doing the work that black slaves used to do, for a similar
price, seem quite willing to be referred to as "a Mexican", not
Mexican American, meanwhile proudly displaying the Mexican flag. I
think they are actually Mexicans, legal or not. I've heard of dual
citizenship, but isn't there something along the lines of "I renounce
Mexico and pledge allegiance to USA" inherent in fleeing Mexico's
poverty, and running to the loving arms of USA's indentured servitude
program?

Also they don't seem to mind the stereo type, "day laborer." Are
Mexican looking people a lower class species? They can't be
endangered, so is it okay to hunt them like they do with nuisance and
dangerous animals?

Outsourcing is despised, but when you keep it in-house, some see it as
a good thing.

--
Outsource the Presidency,
write in Vicente Fox in '08
Wes
2007-05-14 02:10:49 UTC
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KJV Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and
love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the
other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

No man can serve to countries? You can't love Mexico (Mexico's ways
have brought it to poverty?), and serve US when you are just in it for
the mammon?
j***@.
2007-05-14 02:31:49 UTC
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Post by Wes
A white person visiting from South Africa would not be referred to as
an African-American.
A black person from America would.
Mexicans doing the work that black slaves used to do, for a similar
price, seem quite willing to be referred to as "a Mexican", not
Mexican American, meanwhile proudly displaying the Mexican flag. I
think they are actually Mexicans, legal or not. I've heard of dual
citizenship, but isn't there something along the lines of "I renounce
Mexico and pledge allegiance to USA"
It is called the Oath of Allegiance, but it obviously means nothing.


inherent in fleeing Mexico's
Post by Wes
poverty, and running to the loving arms of USA's indentured servitude
program?
Also they don't seem to mind the stereo type, "day laborer." Are
Mexican looking people a lower class species? They can't be
endangered, so is it okay to hunt them like they do with nuisance and
dangerous animals?
Outsourcing is despised, but when you keep it in-house, some see it as
a good thing.
--
Outsource the Presidency,
write in Vicente Fox in '08
--
Tom Tancredo for President in 2008
For a Secure America
http://www.teamtancredo.org/
http://tancredo.house.gov/
Wes
2007-05-14 13:02:45 UTC
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OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce
and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince,
potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore
been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the
Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all
enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and
allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United
States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant
service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the
law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian
direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation
freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help
me God."

http://www.us-immigration.com/information/citizenship_tutorial/oath.html
ElGaucho
2007-05-14 13:54:53 UTC
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Post by Wes
OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce
and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince,
potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore
been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the
Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all
enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and
allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United
States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant
service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the
law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian
direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation
freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help
me God."
http://www.us-immigration.com/information/citizenship_tutorial/oath.html
Sounds so nice and noble. Why don't you make all your corporate execs and
employees take that oath? Add to that the president, congress, the whole
media. Add to that, all governors, DA's, CIA, police.

You live amongst thieves, schemers and traitors, and y'all just a tad too
dumb to notice.

Isn't that what your famous "individualism" is about? Take care of No.l,
fuck the rest.

....God bless Ex-America, she went bye-bye.....

ElGaucho
Wes
2007-05-18 14:49:51 UTC
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Sounds so nice and noble. Why don't you make the president, congress, all >governors, DA's, CIA, police. take that oath?
For other officials, including members of Congress, it [Constitution]
specifies they "shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support this
constitution."

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that
I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or
purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the
duties of the office on which I am about to enter."

"So help me God." is customarilly added to the end of the oath...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office#United_States
You live amongst...traitors
Article Three defines treason as levying war against the United States
or "in adhering to their Enemies, [Illegal immigrants, Allah,
Communisim, El Gaucho] giving them Aid and Comfort," [Who is a
patriot? You feel quite aided and comforted to hear US citizens by
choice say those kinds of things don't you El Gaucho]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_States

Take care of US, [obviously you, El Gaucho, aren't on our side; we
will eventually have to take care of YouS only not that way]
F the rest. [right, devils have got to find their way to Hell one way
or another]

....God bless America, she went bye-bye.....or was El Gaucho that
actually was moving downward....
ElGaucho
2007-05-18 16:15:01 UTC
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Sounds so nice and noble. Why don't you make the president, congress, all
governors, DA's, CIA, police. take that oath?
For other officials, including members of Congress, it [Constitution]
specifies they "shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation to support this
constitution."
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the
Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and
domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that
I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or
purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the
duties of the office on which I am about to enter."
"So help me God." is customarilly added to the end of the oath...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office#United_States
Yes, sir, I know the Oath of Alleg., specially after the election. But, who
keeps those sacred words as a permanent guide while in office?

Your government is giving away your patrimony. So many sacrifice always,
but never move ahead; others, a few, profit without limits.

SIR. THAT OATH OF ALLEGIANCE IS NOT GIVEN TO A BUILDING, OR TO A BOOK. THE
ELECTED OFFICIALS PLEDGE THEIR LOYALTY AND SERVICE TO THE ...PEOPLE of the
USA. YOU, and your family, friends.... THEY ARE THE SERVANTS, THE WATER
CARRIERS... OF YOU, IN YOUR COMMUNITIES. Such is the alligeance to one's
country. It goes to the PEOPLE.

You can't be faithfull to the USA and disregard folks, or look down, spurn,
discount, reject...etc etc... the interests of your people. Every law,
estatute and action should be measured against a tall standard, if you're a
patriot.

Now, tell me, sir. How do you qualify those actions of people that whe
literary STEAL AMERICAN JOBS, leaving many without employment, 'cause the
company moves to Mexico, or China??? Or the action of your President & Co.
Ltd. who knowing full well there's no danger from Iraq sent thousands of
your citizens to WAR...with lies after lies...To KILL, TO DIE AND TO
DESTROY.. Lies that you should'va been aware of, sir, just the same as most
of the world's population WAS. But, no. Better watch the fantasies from
CNN.

Oath of allegiance that should be sworn TO YOUR PEOPLE, to all of them, not
to a judge...But...Ah, About 50MM of your people are without Health
Insurance, to die if very sick, after some first aid, patch up work sends
them home to die. WHERE IS THE OATH OF ALLIGEANCE TO YOUR PEOPLE THERE???

You swore allegiance to them, to protect, 'cause THAT IS YOUR COUNTRY!!

WHAT DO YOU SWEAR ALLIGEANCE 'TO', SIR?.. A TREE, MAYBE, or to an idea or
fantasy, A TV FAD, a something you don't want to see challanged??

I say, thieves and traitors, all those who turn their backs on their people,
and I stand firm on that.

When you don't protect your neighbour you turn your back on America, which
then becomes a nothing. You swear like a hypocrite and you don't give a
shit. Just like most of your INDIVIDUALISTIC neighbours. YOU DON'T CARE...
SEE NOW, SIR, WHY I SAY AMERICA IS NO MORE???

My regards to youOscar
OF course, if you ain't got your own words, the encyclopedia is ....'worse,
if not known properly"
You live amongst...traitors
Article Three defines treason as levying war against the United States
or "in adhering to their Enemies, [Illegal immigrants, Allah,
Communisim, El Gaucho] giving them Aid and Comfort," [Who is a
patriot? You feel quite aided and comforted to hear US citizens by
choice say those kinds of things don't you El Gaucho]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treason#United_States
Take care of US, [obviously you, El Gaucho, aren't on our side; we
will eventually have to take care of YouS only not that way]
F the rest. [right, devils have got to find their way to Hell one way
or another]
....God bless America, she went bye-bye.....or was El Gaucho that
actually was moving downward....
Wes
2007-05-18 17:41:44 UTC
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I agree with you mostly. Just so were clear, you are US's enemy? With
US or you're with the terrorists? Iraq is not pretty exactly because
of the aid and comfort they're getting from you. They think they can
win, if that weren't the case they'd surrender. The fact that they're
fighting US, like you are, proves that there is an enemy there that
needs to be dealt with. You recommend we ignore that enemy and dump
more money into the bottomless pit of Socialism-healthcare? Hopefully
Bin Laden lets us live long enough to use it, but before it becomes
like Cuba's Socialism-healthcare where you actually don't get treated.
Here we just get a bill we can't pay, which ultimately leads to
Socialism, but at least we'll be alive to suffer it's affects.

Had you not defected we'd have finished Iraq long ago.
ElGaucho
2007-05-18 18:54:36 UTC
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Post by Wes
I agree with you mostly. Just so were clear, you are US's enemy? With
US or you're with the terrorists? Iraq is not pretty exactly because
of the aid and comfort they're getting from you. They think they can
win, if that weren't the case they'd surrender. The fact that they're
fighting US, like you are, proves that there is an enemy there that
needs to be dealt with. You recommend we ignore that enemy and dump
more money into the bottomless pit of Socialism-healthcare? Hopefully
Bin Laden lets us live long enough to use it, but before it becomes
like Cuba's Socialism-healthcare where you actually don't get treated.
Here we just get a bill we can't pay, which ultimately leads to
Socialism, but at least we'll be alive to suffer it's affects.
Had you not defected we'd have finished Iraq long ago.
Am I fighting the USA ? Do you consider me an enemy because I say that YOU
and millions like you IS what's important?

You don't know me at all, Wes. I am raising issues you should've raised all
your life ? D'you think that my critique places me and the 65% plus out
there, those that are now beginning to see a bit of the light squarely
opposite to the common USA-Joe Blow?

C'mon, man. Are you that obtuse?

To analyse policy and raise questions is the DUTY of a citizen in a
democracy... And never, never, become a lemming, that follows others in the
wrong direction. You must have a voice, an intelligent one, that's fitting.

I'am not an enemy of yours. I have too many friends over there, good
people. I have a son raising a family in Boston. I CARE, and because I
think something's wrong, I voice my opinion.

You, on the other hand appear to me as a brainwashed individual with a blind
trust in the undeserving.

And please, don't give me the standard packaged propaganda about Socialism,
Cuba, Osama and other garbage.

You don't even realize the harm you're causing others. You follow, with
blinders on, and on purpose. And that's the closest definition I can imagine
of somebody immature, irresponsible, and totally devoid of brains. You look
for and need exactly the government you've got. You'd like to live in a
dictatorship...you would, if it's convenient to you.

Good thing you ain't a true Christian to add to your hypocrecy.

Oscar
Wes
2007-05-18 22:31:51 UTC
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El Gaucho
Post by ElGaucho
And never, never, become a lemming
No one can walk down separate paths.
Post by ElGaucho
don't give me the standard packaged propaganda
Or what, you'll fuel the fire the fire that leads to Nuclear 9/11? The
lemming path that I walk on says that's next on Bin Laden's list of
attractions. Your lemming path says that's not so, and some where in
you rationale you say that Terrorists must be opposed, just not in
Iraq where they are found. Refute, don't dismiss, the propaganda and
it will go away.

Dictators rise to power to become the embodiment of the sentiment that
already exists, if not for that, Hitler would remain an ordinary
voter. Osama is merely responding to what Islam already demands.
Islam got tired of petty bombings, and side-show hijackings so she
found someone to deliver a clearer demonstration of her will on 9/11.
What does she have in mind when the current exposition of her wares
gets old? Will you finally chose the correct lemming path when that
happens? The Vietnam sentiment is what makes Iraq become Vietnam, not
the other way around.
Wes
2007-05-18 22:42:15 UTC
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Illegal immigration exists because there is a sentiment that permits
(wants?) it.
T Jr Hardman
2007-05-19 00:45:38 UTC
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Post by Wes
Illegal immigration exists because there is a sentiment that permits
(wants?) it.
It is only a very small fraction of society which actually benefits or
profits from illegal immigration. Those are mostly the unscrupulous
employers who shift the social costs from themselves onto everyone else,
as they exploit the illegal aliens.
--
http://thomashardman.com/ Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
A true Conservative isn't about to let
the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.
Wes
2007-05-19 22:57:41 UTC
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T Jr Hardman
unscrupulous employers
Exactly, so Joe Blow says, take this job and shove it, I ain't workin'
like an illegal Mexican no more. Then Earle Horton says, Joe Blow
could do it too, if he didn't mind getting his hands dirty. [He's
lazy, deport him to no man's land where doing what's right is wrong,
cheating is fair, and cutting in line is the way to get ahead.]
Wes
2007-05-19 23:00:30 UTC
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T Jr Hardman
unscrupulous employers
Exactly, so Joe Blow says, take this job and shove it, I ain't workin'
like an illegal Mexican no more. Then Earle Horton says, Joe Blow
could do it too, if he didn't mind getting his hands dirty. [He's
lazy, deport him to no man's land where doing what's right is wrong,
cheating is fair, and cutting in line is the way to get ahead.]
Earle Horton
2007-05-18 18:53:33 UTC
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Wes,

When you reply to a message like this, cutting all of the included text, it
is hard to see who you are replying to or WTF you are talking about.

Your logic is faulty, when you say that because Iraqi people resist US
intrusion into their country, that they are an enemy "that needs to be dealt
with". This would happen anywhere, unless you had the good fortune to
invade a country full of pussies. There is "an enemy there that needs to be
dealt with" in every country on the planet, according to your standards.

Oscar is Uru-Canadian, or Canadi-Uruguayan, depending on how you look at it.
He already lives in a country that has dumped "more money into the
bottomless pit of Socialism-healthcare" than you or I even want to think
about, and they are fast on their way to the same Cuban socialist paradise
that you are talking about. All the money in the world won't help you if
you refuse to eat right, and sit on your fat ass all day posting to Usenet,
then go complaining to your legislator after forty years of that regimen. I
think you know this.

What I don't understand is Oscar's strange preoccupation with American jobs
being lost overseas. He lives overseas, well across the Straight of Juan de
Fuca and Puget Sound anyway.

Btw, I pay my medical bills.

Saludos,

Earle
Post by Wes
I agree with you mostly. Just so were clear, you are US's enemy? With
US or you're with the terrorists? Iraq is not pretty exactly because
of the aid and comfort they're getting from you. They think they can
win, if that weren't the case they'd surrender. The fact that they're
fighting US, like you are, proves that there is an enemy there that
needs to be dealt with. You recommend we ignore that enemy and dump
more money into the bottomless pit of Socialism-healthcare? Hopefully
Bin Laden lets us live long enough to use it, but before it becomes
like Cuba's Socialism-healthcare where you actually don't get treated.
Here we just get a bill we can't pay, which ultimately leads to
Socialism, but at least we'll be alive to suffer it's affects.
Had you not defected we'd have finished Iraq long ago.
ElGaucho
2007-05-18 20:16:11 UTC
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"Earle Horton" <***@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
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Post by Earle Horton
Wes,
When you reply to a message like this, cutting all of the included text, it
is hard to see who you are replying to or WTF you are talking about.
Your logic is faulty, when you say that because Iraqi people resist US
intrusion into their country, that they are an enemy "that needs to be dealt
with". This would happen anywhere, unless you had the good fortune to
invade a country full of pussies. There is "an enemy there that needs to be
dealt with" in every country on the planet, according to your standards.
Good of you to reply to that point. I thought it so ludicrous I couldn't
bring myself to go there. Of course, you're totally right: Only pussies
open their asscheeks waiting for others to give'em a royal fuck. Truly, I
don't think that's something Wes ever considered. That: "lateral thinking"
just ain't in the cards for some folks.

Without getting into any depth about Canada and Health Care, I venture with
confidence to state that we are 'basically happy and satisfied that "we do
what we can for others".

I noticed again your mentioning this "preocupation" I've got about jobs
going somewhere else. OK...Maybe that started with my own work, when I
decided to ship some production lines from Ontario to Juarez, and watched
closely the horrible effects that had in our people in Ontario. 'Cause I
had to let some of them go. Yeap!

People whom I helped along , developed to become better trained, more
useful, more important, responsible y loyal to our company. People that
earned a pretty good wage. They had children, car, mortgage, the
works...Then, because I thought I could save some money to produce some
products elsewhere, well, all their hopes, dreams, position ... all gone.
And the savings realized weren't worth all that.

Started there, and continued on. I witnessed whole towns going South. Even
areas in the US, important cities, like Buffalo, Detroit, others, all ghosts
of better times and past dignity. And I see those fucking Walmarts....I see
the Wal-Marts, and I don't have to leap too far to reach this conclusion:
They sell cheap 'cause people don't make enought money and can't pay more
money. While people continue without good paying jobs, they'll have to
continue going to Wal-Marts, which will get stronger. The well-paid
EX-workes are caught. And along with them go also all the supporting
companies, which likewise pay high wages -those that almost exist no more.

Walmarts sell cheap to people who can't pay more. They are those who don't
work in places that can afford higher wages, like their own industries.. The
old industrial jobs disappear, the cheap, service-like work is coming to
stay. The vicious circle continues, Walmart demands, others don't have a
choice, everything going in a downward spiral. Like the economy, en
general. Except for the priviledged few who are positioned to reap the
lion"s share of the benefits.

That's not being against "change". Somebody, lots of voices MUST get
together to change what's coming out, 'cause it's all twisted and wrong.
That is not the right path.

Of course, I'am not even touching the long line of ugly consequences in many
Canadian businesses.. Since 1993 we're quite aware of this bad management of
our countries.

There are some attemps to fix things, to make new plans. But, y'know? once
some people get together it seems that somebody has the answers to
questiones not yet formulated.

Joe Blow must reconsider things, 'cause he is supposed to know how to
survive. He may raise his voice and declare "you've been sticking it to me
right up the ass, and I'm sick 'n tired of taking it. IT HURTS. No more. No
more, Charlie Brown"

Saludos,
Oscar
Post by Earle Horton
Oscar is Uru-Canadian, or Canadi-Uruguayan, depending on how you look at it.
He already lives in a country that has dumped "more money into the
bottomless pit of Socialism-healthcare" than you or I even want to think
about, and they are fast on their way to the same Cuban socialist paradise
that you are talking about. All the money in the world won't help you if
you refuse to eat right, and sit on your fat ass all day posting to Usenet,
then go complaining to your legislator after forty years of that regimen.
I
Post by Earle Horton
think you know this.
What I don't understand is Oscar's strange preoccupation with American jobs
being lost overseas. He lives overseas, well across the Straight of Juan de
Fuca and Puget Sound anyway.
Btw, I pay my medical bills.
Saludos,
Earle
Post by Wes
I agree with you mostly. Just so were clear, you are US's enemy? With
US or you're with the terrorists? Iraq is not pretty exactly because
of the aid and comfort they're getting from you. They think they can
win, if that weren't the case they'd surrender. The fact that they're
fighting US, like you are, proves that there is an enemy there that
needs to be dealt with. You recommend we ignore that enemy and dump
more money into the bottomless pit of Socialism-healthcare? Hopefully
Bin Laden lets us live long enough to use it, but before it becomes
like Cuba's Socialism-healthcare where you actually don't get treated.
Here we just get a bill we can't pay, which ultimately leads to
Socialism, but at least we'll be alive to suffer it's affects.
Had you not defected we'd have finished Iraq long ago.
Earle Horton
2007-05-18 21:46:08 UTC
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Post by ElGaucho
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Post by Earle Horton
Wes,
When you reply to a message like this, cutting all of the included text,
it is hard to see who you are replying to or WTF you are talking
about.
Your logic is faulty, when you say that because Iraqi people resist US
intrusion into their country, that they are an enemy "that needs to be
dealt with". This would happen anywhere, unless you had the good
fortune to invade a country full of pussies. There is "an enemy there
that needs to be dealt with" in every country on the planet, according
to your standards.
Good of you to reply to that point. I thought it so ludicrous I couldn't
bring myself to go there. Of course, you're totally right: Only pussies
open their asscheeks waiting for others to give'em a royal fuck. Truly, I
don't think that's something Wes ever considered. That: "lateral thinking"
just ain't in the cards for some folks.
Es que no puede aguantar la gilipollez tan extrema. De nada.
Post by ElGaucho
Without getting into any depth about Canada and Health Care, I venture
with confidence to state that we are 'basically happy and satisfied that
"we do what we can for others".
I noticed again your mentioning this "preocupation" I've got about jobs
going somewhere else. OK...Maybe that started with my own work, when I
decided to ship some production lines from Ontario to Juarez, and watched
closely the horrible effects that had in our people in Ontario. 'Cause I
had to let some of them go. Yeap!
I think this is called "levelling". I proudly buy all my clothing from L.
L. Bean, one of the great yuppie outlets. Some of the stuff is made in
Philippines, Viet Nam (I figure we owe those folks something), lots is from
China, but every once in a while I get something made in U.S.A. The shoes
are from Italy. Pay a hundred dollars and get a pair of shoes you can wear
for a year, and still have them look good.

I don't buy that "priviledged few" argument, because my parents had nothing,
and here I am retired for eleven years now. The difference between Joe Blow
and Pablo is that Pablo will take the jobs that Joe Blow doesn't want. That
is the same difference that I saw in Spain, between Pablo and Mohammed.
Funny how that works. Guys from Africa are climbing a five meter high fence
in the middle of the night, just to get into one of the two Spanish cities
in the north of Morocco, and stand in line to apply for a green card. I saw
one of them on the Spanish tele, "el castellano es fácil de aprender, cuando
uno tiene hambre". I'll bet it is. Damn, I found Spanish harder than
German.
...
Post by ElGaucho
Joe Blow must reconsider things, 'cause he is supposed to know how to
survive. He may raise his voice and declare "you've been sticking it to
me right up the ass, and I'm sick 'n tired of taking it. IT HURTS. No
more. No more, Charlie Brown"
"Joe Blow" hasn't been smart. He has let other people make life decisions
for him, just like health insurance companies in the U.S. and your national
health system. Plenty of work in the States. Just look at the Latinos
coming in to do it. Joe Blow could do it too, if he didn't mind getting his
hands dirty.

Saludos,

Earle
ElGaucho
2007-05-19 02:03:12 UTC
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"Earle Horton" <***@angloburgues.usa> wrote in message
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Post by Earle Horton
Post by ElGaucho
I noticed again your mentioning this "preocupation" I've got about jobs
going somewhere else. OK...Maybe that started with my own work, when I
decided to ship some production lines from Ontario to Juarez, and watched
closely the horrible effects that had in our people in Ontario. 'Cause I
had to let some of them go. Yeap!
I think this is called "levelling". I proudly buy all my clothing from L.
¡ LEVELLING !,Now, why didn't I think of that word !! So bland and
non-threatening, 'nice' and one word that can be understood any which way.
Vos sabrás ésto, uno está acostumbrado a una pila de palabras que empiezan
con RE: restructure, reorganize, re-evaluate, return-to-base or our-roots;
re-invent, re-engineer, rethink, re-energize, relaunch, renew etc etc. I
believe somebody thought it was funny and copied all those words with RE
from a dictionary. But one knows that most RE's are threatening somehow,
that somebody's gonna get a 2x4 over the head.
Post by Earle Horton
L. Bean, one of the great yuppie outlets. Some of the stuff is made in
Philippines, Viet Nam (I figure we owe those folks something), lots is from
China, but every once in a while I get something made in U.S.A. The shoes
are from Italy. Pay a hundred dollars and get a pair of shoes you can wear
for a year, and still have them look good.
So difficult nowadays, one wants to do what's right, support our own and all
that...But.
Post by Earle Horton
I don't buy that "priviledged few" argument, because my parents had nothing,
I'm refering to those who speculate with stock...bueno, specially those who
"play" with money, in the money markets...Most are..well: people with old
money, or new capitals, brokers at Merryl-Lynch, for instance, people who
"win" a contract in Iraq, o en Alaska..All pure bullshit, most are 'proxis'
that can pile up savings of others for a 'venture', and send some poor
bastards to take the risks.... So many of'em..But only about 5% of the
populations. D'ye belong to that group of folks??
Post by Earle Horton
and here I am retired for eleven years now. The difference between Joe Blow
and Pablo is that Pablo will take the jobs that Joe Blow doesn't want.
That
Post by Earle Horton
is the same difference that I saw in Spain, between Pablo and Mohammed.
Funny how that works. Guys from Africa are climbing a five meter high fence
in the middle of the night, just to get into one of the two Spanish cities
in the north of Morocco, and stand in line to apply for a green card. I saw
one of them on the Spanish tele, "el castellano es fácil de aprender, cuando
uno tiene hambre". I'll bet it is. Damn, I found Spanish harder than
German.
Puta, eso arriba lo viá tener que leer luego.
Post by Earle Horton
Post by ElGaucho
Joe Blow must reconsider things, 'cause he is supposed to know how to
survive. He may raise his voice and declare "you've been sticking it to
me right up the ass, and I'm sick 'n tired of taking it. IT HURTS. No
more. No more, Charlie Brown"
"Joe Blow" hasn't been smart. He has let other people make life decisions
for him, just like health insurance companies in the U.S. and your national
health system. Plenty of work in the States. Just look at the Latinos
coming in to do it. Joe Blow could do it too, if he didn't mind getting his
hands dirty.
Unfortunately, Mr. Blow's a pussycat.... "He IS the 'ignorante, fickle Mr.
Mass'. His misfortunes are his lot in life..Poor Blow; but, maybe one day
he'll be here with us, discussing, arguing, thinking he's got some right,
some worth. Some day.

Ah, sí. Credit where's due, sir. Luego de enviar mis cosas las leo, y noto
burradas. Veo errores gramaticales, y en este tema hasta usé palabras
españolas escribiendo en inglés. Raro en mí eso. Pero creo que es porque
estoy escribiendo acá, para AUS, y ni bien me distraigo hago un entrevero.
Algo nuevo que noté. PERO LO PRINCIPAL ES QUE NO TE PUSISTE A CORREGIRME.

Muy bien, y se agradece. Esos son errores de distraído, que no corrijo por
ser impaciente+++ ..Bueno, sencillamente no 'puedo' leer de vuelta lo que
escribo, casi no tengo tiempo. Envío 'drafts, first go's, sin que nadie lo
edite ni nada. Si me pongo a editar y a corregir no envío nada..

Para que veas que soy 'fair', Lito. Y que noto cosas y más cosas.

Saludos,
Oscar
Otra: a este Wes aguantalo vos. Yo...forget about it..I can't fucking
believe that guy.
Earle Horton
2007-05-19 03:58:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by ElGaucho
news:464e1eef$0$28253
Post by Earle Horton
Post by ElGaucho
I noticed again your mentioning this "preocupation" I've got about jobs
going somewhere else. OK...Maybe that started with my own work,
when I decided to ship some production lines from Ontario to Juarez,
and watched closely the horrible effects that had in our people in
Ontario. 'Cause I had to let some of them go. Yeap!
I think this is called "levelling". I proudly buy all my clothing from L.
¡ LEVELLING !,Now, why didn't I think of that word !! So bland and
non-threatening, 'nice' and one word that can be understood any which way.
Quizás la gente de Juárez merece la misma oportunidad de la que ha gozado la
gente de Ontario por tanto tiempo, ¿eh? La rueda de karma vuelve y vuelve
otra vez. Me he mudado varias veces para aprovechar las oportunidades que
hay. Por fin di en el blanco.
Post by ElGaucho
Vos sabrás ésto, uno está acostumbrado a una pila de palabras que empiezan
con RE: restructure, reorganize, re-evaluate, return-to-base or our-roots;
re-invent, re-engineer, rethink, re-energize, relaunch, renew etc etc. I
believe somebody thought it was funny and copied all those words with RE
from a dictionary. But one knows that most RE's are threatening somehow,
that somebody's gonna get a 2x4 over the head.
"Ream" comes to mind. Usado coloquialmente en el mismo sentido que "dar por
culo". El "ream" es un tipo de broca, barrena, taladro, etc.
Post by ElGaucho
Post by Earle Horton
L. Bean, one of the great yuppie outlets. Some of the stuff is made in
Philippines, Viet Nam (I figure we owe those folks something), lots is
from China, but every once in a while I get something made in U.S.A.
The shoes are from Italy. Pay a hundred dollars and get a pair of
shoes you can wear for a year, and still have them look good.
So difficult nowadays, one wants to do what's right, support our own and
all that...But.
Post by Earle Horton
I don't buy that "priviledged few" argument, because my parents had nothing,
I'm refering to those who speculate with stock...bueno, specially those who
"play" with money, in the money markets...Most are..well: people with old
money, or new capitals, brokers at Merryl-Lynch, for instance, people who
"win" a contract in Iraq, o en Alaska..All pure bullshit, most are 'proxis'
that can pile up savings of others for a 'venture', and send some poor
bastards to take the risks.... So many of'em..But only about 5% of the
populations. D'ye belong to that group of folks??
Invierto en la bolsa, pero cautelosamente, ya que nunca aprendí convertir
bienes inmuebles en dinero. No juego, y a veces saco beneficios, a veces
no. Es que me dedico a mis pasatiempos: un jardín, el camping, las lenguas
romances, joderles a los políticos locales cuando fallan, lo que es todo el
tiempo...
Post by ElGaucho
Post by Earle Horton
and here I am retired for eleven years now. The difference between Joe
Blow and Pablo is that Pablo will take the jobs that Joe Blow doesn't
want. That is the same difference that I saw in Spain, between Pablo
and Mohammed. Funny how that works. Guys from Africa are
climbing a five meter high fence in the middle of the night, just to get
into one of the two Spanish cities
in the north of Morocco, and stand in line to apply for a green card. I
saw one of them on the Spanish tele, "el castellano es fácil de
aprender,
cuando uno tiene hambre". I'll bet it is. Damn, I found Spanish harder
than German.
Puta, eso arriba lo viá tener que leer luego.
Post by Earle Horton
Post by ElGaucho
Joe Blow must reconsider things, 'cause he is supposed to know how
to survive. He may raise his voice and declare "you've been sticking
it to me right up the ass, and I'm sick 'n tired of taking it. IT
HURTS.
No more. No more, Charlie Brown"
"Joe Blow" hasn't been smart. He has let other people make life
decisions for him, just like health insurance companies in the U.S.
and your national health system. Plenty of work in the States.
Just look at the Latinos coming in to do it. Joe Blow could do it
too, if he didn't mind getting his hands dirty.
Unfortunately, Mr. Blow's a pussycat.... "He IS the 'ignorante, fickle Mr.
Mass'. His misfortunes are his lot in life..Poor Blow; but, maybe one day
he'll be here with us, discussing, arguing, thinking he's got some right,
some worth. Some day.
Cuando los cerdos vuelen. Si quieres hacer bien en este mundo, no hay nadie
quien te ayude.
Post by ElGaucho
Ah, sí. Credit where's due, sir. Luego de enviar mis cosas las leo, y noto
burradas. Veo errores gramaticales, y en este tema hasta usé palabras
españolas escribiendo en inglés. Raro en mí eso. Pero creo que es porque
estoy escribiendo acá, para AUS, y ni bien me distraigo hago un entrevero.
Algo nuevo que noté. PERO LO PRINCIPAL ES QUE NO TE
PUSISTE A CORREGIRME.
Muy bien, y se agradece. Esos son errores de distraído, que no corrijo por
ser impaciente+++ ..Bueno, sencillamente no 'puedo' leer de vuelta lo que
escribo, casi no tengo tiempo. Envío 'drafts, first go's, sin que nadie lo
edite ni nada. Si me pongo a editar y a corregir no envío nada..
Para que veas que soy 'fair', Lito. Y que noto cosas y más cosas.
Saludos,
Oscar
Otra: a este Wes aguantalo vos. Yo...forget about it..I can't fucking
believe that guy.
El bobo se atrevió a corregir las letras de mi propio nombre. La arrogancia
de esos ignorantes no tiene límite.

Saludos,

Earle
Wes
2007-05-18 22:38:35 UTC
Permalink
Earl
Iraqi people resist US intrusion into their country?
A small portion of them resist, using violence; not the freedom to
vote; not the freedom to speak and say please give in to our terrorist
demands before we use violence.

These would fail if not for the less devout, (those who don't use
surprise your dead, we're sorry we didn't ask you politely, but you
know our ways are entirely illegitimate, that's exactly why we don't
bother trying to reason) the ones who don't murder are still the enemy
because they love murder but are not willing to do what they think
should be done.

Those two clear enemies would fail if not for the hate America crowd
who always turn out to be Socialists.

El Gaucho is simply a watered down version of the third. If he didn't
give the first three (who cannot be justified) aid and comfort, we
would quickly prevail.

A tree is know by it's fruit. The fruit is unprovoked mass murder of
innocents. That tree needs to be chopped down above or below El Gaucho
is hard to say.

A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. We're at the cross-
roads, we have to declare them and their ways to be unwelcome in our
kingdom, or our kingdom will be the one that fails. Japan could speak
about these things, also Vietnam. Which road?
ElGaucho
2007-05-18 23:51:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wes
Earl
Iraqi people resist US intrusion into their country?
A small portion of them resist, using violence; not the freedom to
vote; not the freedom to speak and say please give in to our terrorist
demands before we use violence.
I think you're just pulling our chain, otherwise..well I just can't believe
somebody could be so ignorant these days.

Another possibility, though: you've been buried, o maybe locked up in a
vault. In a place far far away from the affairs of men and the dealings of
the world. That it, right ? Away from news, thoughts and opinions?? I
really think you'd better remain there...your own good, y'know...This world
of ours can disappoint and kill all illusions, all fantasies and pipe dreams
may go like Puff the Magic Dragon..out to the sea..maybe...

You ain't for this world, bud. Whatever the cause, you just sound too
'light' to be a man, too dumb to belong to our group........ too much of a
ding-bat for my taste. A ding-o-ling, that suites ya!

Go, boy...shoooo! Go play with marbles.

Oscar
Post by Wes
These would fail if not for the less devout, (those who don't use
surprise your dead, we're sorry we didn't ask you politely, but you
know our ways are entirely illegitimate, that's exactly why we don't
bother trying to reason) the ones who don't murder are still the enemy
because they love murder but are not willing to do what they think
should be done.
Those two clear enemies would fail if not for the hate America crowd
who always turn out to be Socialists.
El Gaucho is simply a watered down version of the third. If he didn't
give the first three (who cannot be justified) aid and comfort, we
would quickly prevail.
A tree is know by it's fruit. The fruit is unprovoked mass murder of
innocents. That tree needs to be chopped down above or below El Gaucho
is hard to say.
A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. We're at the cross-
roads, we have to declare them and their ways to be unwelcome in our
kingdom, or our kingdom will be the one that fails. Japan could speak
about these things, also Vietnam. Which road?
Wes
2007-05-19 23:01:32 UTC
Permalink
El Gaucho

Wes: Refute, don't dismiss [May 18, 5:31 pm]

Oscar: too dumb, too much of a ding-bat, A ding-o-ling

Wes: Just so we're clear, you are just a petty name caller, correct?
If terrorists attempted to justify their ways at all in a forum like
this they also would degenerate into name callers and threat makers.
You fuel the fire the fire that leads to Nuclear 9/11. [May 18, 5:31
pm]
Wes
2007-05-19 23:16:13 UTC
Permalink
Earle Horton

Joe Blow shouldn't be expected to work like someone afraid of
deportation and afraid to be fired because he is working illegally.
Joe Blow did used to get his hands dirty after emancipation, but the
bottomless-pit of cheaper prices = cheaper wages gave way to
outsourcing in-house. If a company wants to outsource let them hire
Mexicans that live and work in Mexico.
ElGaucho
2007-05-20 01:19:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wes
El Gaucho
Wes: Refute, don't dismiss [May 18, 5:31 pm]
Oscar: too dumb, too much of a ding-bat, A ding-o-ling
Wes: Just so we're clear, you are just a petty name caller, correct?
If terrorists attempted to justify their ways at all in a forum like
this they also would degenerate into name callers and threat makers.
You fuel the fire the fire that leads to Nuclear 9/11. [May 18, 5:31
pm]
Wes, me boyo. I jus't cain't come up with all the right stuff, all them
words to apologize. You bring to the table serious issues, frien'..deep
SHIT IS IT. So important and complicated are they, I feel completely at
sea, can't point anywhere for ye..... Dare I include Earle in these
feelings of impotence:? OOUI mesieurs...We are but exhausted wells,...of
thwarted purposes and will?? Such is our chagrin and frustration.

I have but one word for you..A light, a hope....A NAME, Somebody who lives
close TO HIM (look up, dummy) aaaand, aaaand...HE WHO SITS at the right SIDE
of the Allmighty himself. Many names Has He in the realm of men. Many a
name, yes, but only one in blissfull existence: HIS NAME: GURRIATO...

And he's so gentle and understanding... Go to him, my child..Go and bring
your multitudes, go drink in that inexhaustible manantial.. He will answer
your most private questions. AND HE'LL GIVE YOU MORE: ETERNAL LIFE.

May Bruce Lee and all past Kung Fu masters illuminate your way.

Ah, yeah... Along with your mind, your books, your pencil and
sundries...don't forget to wear a helmet!!!

Oscar
Wes
2007-05-21 01:07:13 UTC
Permalink
El Gaucho

Just so we're clear, you are just a petty name caller, correct?
If Oscar attempted to justify his ways at all in a forum like
this he also would degenerate into a name caller, threat maker,
and/or that indefinable, purposeless sarcasm (the purpose being
dismissal and avoidance of superior rationale.)
You fuel the fire the fire that leads to Nuclear 9/11. [May 18,
5:31pm]
Oscar: too dumb, too much of a ding-bat, A ding-o-ling, (look up, dummy)
He will answer your most private questions.
1 Samuel 2:3
Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your
mouth: for the Lord is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are
weighed.

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a
cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to
his brother, Raca, [vain, empty, worthless] shall be in danger of the
council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, [too dumb, too much of a
ding-bat, A ding-o-ling, look up dummy] shall be in danger of hell
fire.

Matthew 12:36-37
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they
shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt
be condemned.

John 3:18-21
...condemned already, ...
And this is the condemnation, ... [Oscar] loved darkness rather than
light, because [his name calling was evil.]
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the
light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be
made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
A light, a hope....A NAME
AND HE'LL GIVE YOU MORE: ETERNAL LIFE.
John 6:53-54
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye
eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life
in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I
will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:68-69
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast
the words of eternal life.
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the
living God.

John 5:42
But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

1 John 2:9
He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in
darkness even until now.

1 John 4:20
If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar:

1 John 3:17
...how dwelleth the love of God in him?

John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that
judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in
the last day.
Wes
2007-05-21 01:21:02 UTC
Permalink
El Gaucho

Just so we're clear, you are just a petty name caller, correct?
If Oscar attempted to justify his ways at all in a forum like
this he also would degenerate into a name caller, threat maker,
and/or that indefinable purposeless sarcasm (the purpose being
dismissal and avoidance of superior rationale.)
You fuel the fire the fire that leads to Nuclear 9/11. [May 18,
5:31pm]
Oscar: too dumb, too much of a ding-bat, A ding-o-ling, (look up, dummy)
He will answer your most private questions.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a
cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to
his brother, Raca, [vain, empty, worthless] shall be in danger of the
council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, [too dumb, too much of a
ding-bat, A ding-o-ling, look up dummy] shall be in danger of hell
fire.

Matthew 12:36-37
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they
shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt
be condemned.
A light, a hope....A NAME
AND HE'LL GIVE YOU MORE: ETERNAL LIFE.
John 6:68-69
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast
the words of eternal life.
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the
living God.
ElGaucho
2007-05-21 02:48:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Wes
El Gaucho
Just so we're clear, you are just a petty name caller, correct?
If Oscar attempted to justify his ways at all in a forum like
So that we're clear, SOoooo, now you bring religion to add the stew -as if
we didn't have enough ingredientes already!-.

Wes, friend -OF somebody, methinks-, I am not avoiding issues at all. Some
of them are too important, I respect them so much...no sir, never would I
demean them or myself by ignoring such things.

Being CLEAR (I pray) and in a final attempt to be understood by you: WHAT I
AM TRYING TO AVOID, WHAT I DON'T BELIEVE, what I reject, TOTALLY LOATHE and
attempt to TELL YOU IS THE ACT of engaging YOU...-and them things
TOGETHER..

IT's personal, Wes, not business. You are a total SOCIAL MORON, unfit,
unwilling, and unprepared to bring in valid arguments to the table. You
repeat what others tell you to repeat, all entirely well known: I already
know the arguments..

You're exactly the type of person engineered' for a special purpose: To give
support to the people that created you, incapable of creating, of producing
a single thought worth listening to. UNDERSTAND THIS: You are not programmed
to contradict your masters.


There're enough people out there: all looking alike: DUMB DUMB DUMB...So,
Wes, should you like to talk about hockey (Senators all the way!!!), the
NBA..Carter's incredible, ain't 'e?, or a bit of baseball statistics.
Weeeeeelll..Yes. I dig them thangs also.

By the way, even though I haven't touched 'religion", I like very much to
argue its essence, history, why's and why not's, etc. Quoting it, well,
it's nice...but a bit boooooring. I prefer to come up with my own words and
wisdom -when I'm in the groove I don't envy nuthin' of'them saints and
profets, I tell ya)

I so much hope this time to be clear (I pray)
Oscar
Post by Wes
this he also would degenerate into a name caller, threat maker,
and/or that indefinable purposeless sarcasm (the purpose being
dismissal and avoidance of superior rationale.)
You fuel the fire the fire that leads to Nuclear 9/11. [May 18,
5:31pm]
Oscar: too dumb, too much of a ding-bat, A ding-o-ling, (look up, dummy)
He will answer your most private questions.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a
cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to
his brother, Raca, [vain, empty, worthless] shall be in danger of the
council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, [too dumb, too much of a
ding-bat, A ding-o-ling, look up dummy] shall be in danger of hell
fire.
Matthew 12:36-37
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they
shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt
be condemned.
A light, a hope....A NAME
AND HE'LL GIVE YOU MORE: ETERNAL LIFE.
John 6:68-69
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast
the words of eternal life.
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the
living God.
Earle Horton
2007-05-21 19:21:36 UTC
Permalink
Oscar,

It's become politically incorrect in the US to call Republicans and others
who "are not programmed to contradict their masters" stupid or to ridicule
their intellectual shortcomings, which are many. As a result, they have
become supremely overconfident and have resorted to believing that their
mass hysteria is fact.

Witness his answer to my legitimate question, what he would do in response
to armed invasion of his country.

Earle
Post by ElGaucho
Post by Wes
El Gaucho
Just so we're clear, you are just a petty name caller, correct?
If Oscar attempted to justify his ways at all in a forum like
So that we're clear, SOoooo, now you bring religion to add the stew -as if
we didn't have enough ingredientes already!-.
Wes, friend -OF somebody, methinks-, I am not avoiding issues at all. Some
of them are too important, I respect them so much...no sir, never would I
demean them or myself by ignoring such things.
Being CLEAR (I pray) and in a final attempt to be understood by you: WHAT I
AM TRYING TO AVOID, WHAT I DON'T BELIEVE, what I reject, TOTALLY LOATHE and
attempt to TELL YOU IS THE ACT of engaging YOU...-and them things
TOGETHER..
IT's personal, Wes, not business. You are a total SOCIAL MORON, unfit,
unwilling, and unprepared to bring in valid arguments to the table. You
repeat what others tell you to repeat, all entirely well known: I already
know the arguments..
You're exactly the type of person engineered' for a special purpose: To give
support to the people that created you, incapable of creating, of producing
a single thought worth listening to. UNDERSTAND THIS: You are not programmed
to contradict your masters.
There're enough people out there: all looking alike: DUMB DUMB DUMB...So,
Wes, should you like to talk about hockey (Senators all the way!!!), the
NBA..Carter's incredible, ain't 'e?, or a bit of baseball statistics.
Weeeeeelll..Yes. I dig them thangs also.
By the way, even though I haven't touched 'religion", I like very much to
argue its essence, history, why's and why not's, etc. Quoting it, well,
it's nice...but a bit boooooring. I prefer to come up with my own words and
wisdom -when I'm in the groove I don't envy nuthin' of'them saints and
profets, I tell ya)
I so much hope this time to be clear (I pray)
Oscar
Post by Wes
this he also would degenerate into a name caller, threat maker,
and/or that indefinable purposeless sarcasm (the purpose being
dismissal and avoidance of superior rationale.)
You fuel the fire the fire that leads to Nuclear 9/11. [May 18,
5:31pm]
Oscar: too dumb, too much of a ding-bat, A ding-o-ling, (look up, dummy)
He will answer your most private questions.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a
cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to
his brother, Raca, [vain, empty, worthless] shall be in danger of the
council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, [too dumb, too much of a
ding-bat, A ding-o-ling, look up dummy] shall be in danger of hell
fire.
Matthew 12:36-37
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they
shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt
be condemned.
A light, a hope....A NAME
AND HE'LL GIVE YOU MORE: ETERNAL LIFE.
John 6:68-69
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast
the words of eternal life.
And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the
living God.
Wes
2007-05-21 20:33:55 UTC
Permalink
El Gaucho
you bring religion to ...the stew? ... enough ingredientes already?
My first post had a Bible quote, I think. Besides everything is
religion ask Al Gore the name of his new religion he's preaching, I
think it's something like, "The Sky Is Falling." He's right about
that, but he's (intentionally?) wrong about most of his doctrine. The
sky is falling because YOU won't listen to reason and insist on going
a different direction; well then justify it. United we stand, Divided
the sky falls.

Mark 3:24-27
And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand,
but hath an end.
No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods,
except he will first bind the strong man; [Oscar] and then he will
spoil his house. [or Oscar could unfairly seize the throne by buying
votes or other]

Luke 11:22-23
But when a stronger than he [Oscar] shall come upon him, and overcome
him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and
divideth his spoils.
He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with
me scattereth. [No peace without unity]

No amount of darkness can overcome a single ray of light. [With US or
you're with the terrorist- terrorism would not survive if Oscar wasn't
in the way. T/F]

Luke 11:35
Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness.
[Iraq wasn't a threat. T/F]

John 3:18-21
... condemned already...this is the condemnation...[Oscar] loved
darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the
light, [he makes up bogus excusses, and calls people names] lest his
deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be
made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Religion was formally on the table when you declared name calling part
of your religious doctrine AND tried make as if that were compatible
with Biblical doctrine.
A light, a hope....A NAME...(look up, dummy)
Wes, friend...Some of them [issues] are too important, I respect them so much... never would I
demean them or myself by ignoring such things.

These sacred issues, as you say, are beyond my comprehension. You're
response to my call to "refute-don't dismiss" and "justify you're
ways" is "You are a total...MORON." And this, after I showed you that
that is as unbiblical as anything, (Matthew 5:22) Name calling is
demeaning yourself and you do demean the issues when you demean me
instead of refuting me. (Hate speech reflects poorly on the hater.)

Allow me to rephrase your words.
what I reject, TOTALLY LOATHE ...THE ACT of engaging YOU...
what I reject,
lest [he] should be reproved.

TOTALLY LOATHE
evil hateth the light,

THE ACT of engaging YOU
neither cometh to the light,

Proverbs 29:19
A servant will not be corrected by words: for though he understand he
will not answer.
unfit, unwilling, and unprepared to bring in valid arguments
Which of my many arguments are you referring to?
You repeat what others tell you to repeat, all entirely well known: I already
know the arguments..
Not all are my words, but it's my mosaic. I am not a propaganda
regurgitating machine, show me an instance of it. Your doctrine is
upside-down at it's core; to say you've heard it before says one of us
is dense or dishonest. It has to be you because I say the Earth is
round, you say "heard it before." I say man walked on the moon, you
say "retard, idiot, moron." I say Elvis is dead you say, "Jesus
saves." I say Jesus can not save you unless you are born again, you
say "shall I enterth into the womb a second time." (John 3:3)

Everything is either propaganda or truth. That statement is either
true or bogus propaganda, it all depends on whether you are the black
lemming or the white one.
You're exactly the type of person engineered' for a special purpose: To give
support to the people that created you, incapable of creating, of producing
a single thought worth listening to. UNDERSTAND THIS: You are not programmed
to contradict your masters.
I know you are but what am I? Where is the flaw in my programming? Do
you want me to corrupt the entire system?
I prefer to come up with my own words
You prefer to make up your own religion?

John 12:48
... and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word
that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Isaiah 5:21
Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their
own sight!

Jeremiah 9:23-24
Thus saith the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither
let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in
his riches:
But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and
knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness,
judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I
delight, saith the Lord.

Psalms 50:16-17
But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou [Oscar] to do to declare
my statutes, or that thou [Oscar] shouldest take my covenant in thy
mouth?
Seeing thou [Oscar] hatest instruction, and castest my words behind
thee.

Proverbs 17:10-11
A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a
fool.
An evil man seeketh only rebellion: therefore a cruel messenger shall
be sent against him.
I so much hope this time to be clear (I pray)
Pray to whom?
I prefer to come up with my own words
Here are some of my own words, (I guess in order to quote sound wisdom
you have to shape it into something else; isn't that like making it
something other than sound wisdom) If I quote something exactly or
close enough they are in fact my words, I have said that "we can't
walk down separate paths," or something close to that. Guess where I
got those, (my?) words?

Amos 3:3
Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

I say no, one of our logics will have to be corrupted all the way to
the core. All Mega truths are built on 1 or 0 bits. Where am I in
error and why?
R.S.
2007-05-21 04:50:27 UTC
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Post by Wes
El Gaucho
Wes: Refute, don't dismiss [May 18, 5:31 pm]
Oscar: too dumb, too much of a ding-bat, A ding-o-ling
Wes: Just so we're clear, you are just a petty name caller, correct?
If terrorists attempted to justify their ways at all in a forum like
this they also would degenerate into name callers and threat makers.
You fuel the fire the fire that leads to Nuclear 9/11. [May 18, 5:31
pm]
Wes, me boyo. I jus't cain't come up with all the right stuff, all them
words to apologize. You bring to the table serious issues, frien'..deep
SHIT IS IT. So important and complicated are they, I feel completely at
sea, can't point anywhere for ye..... Dare I include Earle in these
feelings of impotence:? OOUI mesieurs...We are but exhausted wells,...of
thwarted purposes and will?? Such is our chagrin and frustration.
I have but one word for you..A light, a hope....A NAME, Somebody who lives
close TO HIM (look up, dummy) aaaand, aaaand...HE WHO SITS at the right SIDE
of the Allmighty himself. Many names Has He in the realm of men. Many a
name, yes, but only one in blissfull existence: HIS NAME: GURRIATO...
And he's so gentle and understanding... Go to him, my child..Go and bring
your multitudes, go drink in that inexhaustible manantial.. He will answer
your most private questions. AND HE'LL GIVE YOU MORE: ETERNAL LIFE.
May Bruce Lee and all past Kung Fu masters illuminate your way.
Ah, yeah... Along with your mind, your books, your pencil and
sundries...don't forget to wear a helmet!!!
Oscar
Earle Horton
2007-05-19 02:59:37 UTC
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Post by Wes
Earl
Mira, el idiota sabe escribir mi nombre mejor que yo mismo.
Post by Wes
Iraqi people resist US intrusion into their country?
A small portion of them resist, using violence; not the freedom
to vote; not the freedom to speak and say please give in to our
terrorist demands before we use violence.
How would you react to intrusion into U.S. territory? The rest of your post
is crap. Gil, imbécil, hipócrita.

Earle
Wes
2007-05-19 23:27:40 UTC
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Earle Horton

Joe Blow shouldn't be expected to work like someone afraid of
deportation and afraid to be fired because he is working illegally.
Joe Blow did used to get his hands dirty after emancipation, but the
bottomless-pit of cheaper prices = cheaper wages gave way to
outsourcing in-house. If a company wants to outsource let them hire
Mexicans that live and work in Mexico.
Post by Earle Horton
How would you react to intrusion into U.S. territory?
Mexicans are invading. I am reacting by whining about it, and voting;
do you suggest I bomb their houses and their places of illegal
employment, beheadings maybe.

No hablas espanol por favor, estoy muy deficione.
Earle Horton
2007-05-20 14:37:59 UTC
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Post by ElGaucho
Earle Horton
Joe Blow shouldn't be expected to work like someone afraid of
deportation and afraid to be fired because he is working illegally.
En 1607, un grupo de 104 colonos ingleses cruzó el atlántico, para
establecerse in Jamestown, a 100 kilómetros de la boca de la bahía de
Chesapeake, en la región que bautizaron Virginia. El capitán John Smith,
presidente de ese primer asentamiento civilizado en el Nuevo Mundo, legisló:
"El que no trabaja, no come".
Post by ElGaucho
Joe Blow did used to get his hands dirty after emancipation, but the
bottomless-pit of cheaper prices = cheaper wages gave way to
outsourcing in-house. If a company wants to outsource let them hire
Mexicans that live and work in Mexico.
Post by Earle Horton
How would you react to intrusion into U.S. territory?
Mexicans are invading. I am reacting by whining about it, and voting;
do you suggest I bomb their houses and their places of illegal
employment, beheadings maybe.
I was talking about armed intrusion of the type that we have done in Iraq,
and you know it. How would you react to Arabs in your town with weapons,
taking over city hall, telling you what to do and where to go? No need to
think about it too much. What if they overthrew the tyrannical Republican
government that we have now and put the Democratic liberal tree-huggers in
control. Shit'd hit the fan, wouldn't it?

Earle
Post by ElGaucho
No hablas espanol por favor, estoy muy deficione.
Gurriato
2007-05-20 15:36:24 UTC
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Post by ElGaucho
Earle Horton
Joe Blow shouldn't be expected to work like someone afraid of
deportation and afraid to be fired because he is working illegally.
En 1607, un grupo de 104 colonos ingleses cruzó el atlántico, para
establecerse in Jamestown, a 100 kilómetros de la boca de la bahía de
Chesapeake, en la región que bautizaron Virginia. El capitán John Smith,
"El que no trabaja, no come".
Post by ElGaucho
Joe Blow did used to get his hands dirty after emancipation, but the
bottomless-pit of cheaper prices = cheaper wages gave way to
outsourcing in-house. If a company wants to outsource let them hire
Mexicans that live and work in Mexico.
Post by Earle Horton
How would you react to intrusion into U.S. territory?
Mexicans are invading. I am reacting by whining about it, and voting;
do you suggest I bomb their houses and their places of illegal
employment, beheadings maybe.
I was talking about armed intrusion of the type that we have done in Iraq,
and you know it. How would you react to Arabs in your town with weapons,
taking over city hall, telling you what to do and where to go? No need to
think about it too much. What if they overthrew the tyrannical Republican
government that we have now and put the Democratic liberal tree-huggers in
control. Shit'd hit the fan, wouldn't it?
Oh, man, you'rer not gonna make Iraq the 51th state, are you?

Good. I'm sure there are plenty of ambitious young desposts like Governor
Pomponio Magnus and myself out there who would jump at the chance to rule
Amerka. I believe all is needed is thart all Frijolero wetbacks convert to
Islam, the only true religion. Los gringos necesitan a alguien que los meta
en cintura.

Can't you skip all that disturbing ninght vision bombing stuff and go
straight to the jubilant libertation footage when Governor Pomponio and my
self enter the White House among the cheers of the crowd?

Al.lahu Akbar!

El-Tubib El-andalusí
Wes
2007-05-21 01:03:26 UTC
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Earle Horton

En 1607, un grupo de 104 colonos ingleses cruzó el atlántico, para
establecerse in Jamestown, a 100 kilómetros de la boca de la bahía de
Chesapeake, en la región que bautizaron Virginia. El capitán John
Smith, presidente de ese primer asentamiento civilizado en el Nuevo
Mundo, legisló: "El que no trabaja, no come".

Tu no hablas espanol por favor. Que esta el translationo por la
statmento?
Post by Earle Horton
armed intrusion of the type that we have done in Iraq,
How would you react to Arabs in your town with weapons,
taking over city hall, telling you what to do and where to go?
put the Democratic liberal tree-huggers in
control. Shit'd hit the fan, wouldn't it?
Armed intrusion was to eliminate the THREAT of WMD and for bonus
points regime change. Armed holding position as is occurring now
coming to a completion is mutually desired by all, except some (now
controlling Congress) who have a greater priority assigned to living
in a fairy tale world where the cancer that thrives over there won't
harm us here, as we lived in before 9/11. That world is dead, no
amount of necromancy will resurrect it. Allah HAS captured Congress
and I react by whining mostly, but if taking up arms other than words
were necessary I would not harm my fellow Iraqis, I might even realize
that the reason that the Arabs don't leave is because my legitimate
gov't still wants help in eliminating me (pure violence - no reason),
I might come to my senses and just wait. But the reason I don't is
because I HATE FREEDOM, I might however be able to pause if some time
tables were announced.
Al.lah Akbar! - he managed to capture the most powerful gov't the
Universe has ever known with a nonviolent coup by using the worst
kinds of warentless violence imaginable.
Earle Horton
2007-05-21 19:23:15 UTC
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Post by ElGaucho
Earle Horton
En 1607, un grupo de 104 colonos ingleses cruzó el atlántico, para
establecerse in Jamestown, a 100 kilómetros de la boca de la bahía de
Chesapeake, en la región que bautizaron Virginia. El capitán John
Smith, presidente de ese primer asentamiento civilizado en el Nuevo
Mundo, legisló: "El que no trabaja, no come".
Tu no hablas espanol por favor. Que esta el translationo por la
statmento?
You are telling me that I don't speak Spanish, which is patently false.
"Translation" = "traducción"
"Statement" = "declaración"

I was describing the Virginia Colony, founded in 1607 in Jamestown. The
first piece of legislation was "He who does not work, does not eat".
Immigrant workers have no trouble understanding how this works, but you and
your Joe Blow third generation United Auto Workers member are having a
little trouble with it.
Post by ElGaucho
Post by Earle Horton
armed intrusion of the type that we have done in Iraq,
How would you react to Arabs in your town with weapons,
taking over city hall, telling you what to do and where to go?
put the Democratic liberal tree-huggers in
control. Shit'd hit the fan, wouldn't it?
Armed intrusion was to eliminate the THREAT of WMD and for bonus
There were no WMDs. There was no credible threat of WMDs.
Post by ElGaucho
points regime change. Armed holding position as is occurring now
We will get regime change in 2008, by peaceful methods. Iraq could have
waited too.
Post by ElGaucho
coming to a completion is mutually desired by all, except some (now
controlling Congress) who have a greater priority assigned to living
in a fairy tale world where the cancer that thrives over there won't
harm us here, as we lived in before 9/11. That world is dead, no
amount of necromancy will resurrect it. Allah HAS captured Congress
and I react by whining mostly, but if taking up arms other than words
were necessary I would not harm my fellow Iraqis, I might even realize
that the reason that the Arabs don't leave is because my legitimate
gov't still wants help in eliminating me (pure violence - no reason),
I might come to my senses and just wait. But the reason I don't is
because I HATE FREEDOM, I might however be able to pause if
some time tables were announced.
The question was, "How would you react to Arabs in your town with weapons,
taking over city hall, telling you what to do and where to go?"

Your answer doesn't even make sense, except for the part about how you "hate
freedom".

Você vai tomar no cu.

Saludos,

Earle
Gurriato
2007-05-20 15:56:05 UTC
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Post by ElGaucho
Earle Horton
Joe Blow shouldn't be expected to work like someone afraid of
deportation and afraid to be fired because he is working illegally.
Joe Blow did used to get his hands dirty after emancipation, but the
bottomless-pit of cheaper prices = cheaper wages gave way to
outsourcing in-house. If a company wants to outsource let them hire
Mexicans that live and work in Mexico.
Post by Earle Horton
How would you react to intrusion into U.S. territory?
Mexicans are invading. I am reacting by whining about it, and voting;
do you suggest I bomb their houses and their places of illegal
employment, beheadings maybe.
Good, now we are talking turkey. Finally you've hit on a workable method of
population control. We shouldn't be critical: It is an old Amerkan custom
to behead people for no good reason. Let's behead all Frijoleros, including
Paquito. May be it'll teach those weaklings some discipline.

I want to do the beheadings myself. Why should the Marines always have all
the fun?

May I keep a few heads in the basement like Mr. Jeffrey Lionel Dahmer,
please?

Heads with large Pancho Villas moustaches are very decorative.

I want to make clear, however, that I am against any executions involving
acts of necrophilia, dismemberment, and cannibalism.

LE MARQUIS DE LA PATTE NOIRE
Wes
2007-05-21 01:00:53 UTC
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Gurriato
Iraq the 51th state?
Good question; we invaded the the south and overthrew the corrupt
gov't there, we're still there and I don't here too many calls to get
out. Same in Iraq, except there are many violent beheaders politely
requesting our departure. I say don't listen to them or those who
enable them and listen to the self gov't which still desires our
assistance.
jubilant libertation footage when ... myself enter the White House among the cheers of the crowd?
Sounds like the pompous ceremony Pelosi threw for herself when she
invaded and conquered the Congress by buying votes and saying the cure
for evil is to run away from it. How many people have to die before
she overrules Iraq's gov't and deserts them to anarchy; the reason
they won the election was to GET US OUT. Seize the throne by caressing
the illegal, the young, the desperate, and the incarcerated; Sounds
like a coup to me. Harry Reid says we can't win and he's right as long
as he continues to stir up the aid and comfort crowd.

Al.lah Akbar! - he managed to capture the most powerful gov't the
Universe has ever known with a nonviolent coup by using the worst
kinds of warentless violence imaginable.
I want to do the beheadings [dismemberment] myself.
I want to make clear, ... I am against ... executions involving ... dismemberment, ...
Estar el contradictiono.
LE MARQUIS DE LA PATTE NOIRE
Tu no hablas espanol por favor. Que esta el translationo por la
statmento?
Gurriato
2007-05-21 20:29:15 UTC
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Post by Wes
Tu no hablas espanol por favor. Que esta el translationo por la
statmento?
Yo espico lo que me salga de los cajunes, ¿comprendo?

Gringos ser locos de la cabeza, todos, mucho locos de la cabeza
completamento.

I strongly feel that your conflict with the so-called Axis of Evil should
not be settled on the battlefield, but in the pro-wrestling ring.

LE MARQUIS DE LA PATTE NOIRE
Ramon F Herrera
2007-05-14 18:59:18 UTC
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Post by Wes
OATH OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce
and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince,
potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore
been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the
Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all
enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and
allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United
States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant
service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the
law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian
direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation
freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help
me God."
http://www.us-immigration.com/information/citizenship_tutorial/oath.html
Wes:

I am Venezuelan citizen by birth and US citizen by choice. I refuse to
give a blank check of support to any power inside or outside Earth.

If the United States invades Venezuela, there will be:

- US citizens who support the invasion
- US citizens who do not support the invasion
- Venezuelan citizens who support the invasion
- Venezuelan citizens who do not support the invasion

Since you are so self-satisfied with being a patriot, can you tell us
who in the above groups is as good patriot as you seem to believe you
are?

Some people support and the rest reject the Iraqi war. You seem
anointed by a special power (from God himself?) to decide who is a
patriot. Is Cindy Sheehan a patriot? Have you read the writings of
Noam Chomsky (somehow I highly doubt it)? Is he a patriot?

-Ramon

"The most unpatriotic act a citizen can commit is
abrogating onto himself the right to decide who is a patriot"
- A South American philosopher
Wes
2007-05-18 13:52:32 UTC
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"I [Ramon F Herrera] hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and
entirely renounce...[Venezuela and "Can I buy your vote" Chavez,
"Let's give communism another try"]

that I [Ramon F Herrera] will support and defend the...United States
of America against all enemies, foreign [Hugo Chavez] and domestic
[Cindy "I hate America Sheehan, and I'll desecrate my son's death in
order to see USA's enemies survive; as those like me did in Vietnam
time" ~ same story different time];

I [Ramon F Herrera] will bear arms on behalf of the United States and/
or perform noncombatant service [namely supporting US's effort to
defeat the enemy, not be the enemy]

I [Ramon F Herrera] take this obligation freely without any mental
reservation [I'm not ambivalent at all] or purpose of evasion; [No
tricks, I'm not in it for the money or to get a vote to support US's
enemies]

so help me God."

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, [US]
and
love the other [Chavez]; or else he will hold to the one, and despise
the
other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

No man can serve to countries? You can't love Venezuela/Communism, and
serve US when you are just in it for the mammon [money]?

Matthew 12:36-37
But I say unto you, That every idle word that men [Ramon F Herrera]
shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words [I refuse
to
give a blank check of support to any power...outside Earth.] thou
shalt be condemned.

John 12:48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that
judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, [No man can serve two
masters] the same shall judge him in the last day.
anointed by a special power (from the word of God?)
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and
spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the
thoughts and intents of [Ramon F Herrera's] heart.

Ephesians 6:10-17
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his
might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand
against the wiles of the devil. [Chavez] ...And take ...the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:

I [Ramon F Herrera] will bear arms so help me God.
PirateJohn
2007-05-18 20:41:54 UTC
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Post by Wes
Also they don't seem to mind the stereo type, "day laborer." Are
Mexican looking people a lower class species?
Nonsense. I see example after example of Hispanic folks working their
way up, and educating their children. You jokers are just making
excuses.
Wes
2007-05-19 23:06:24 UTC
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Pirate John
Post by Wes
Also they don't seem to mind the stereo type, "day laborer." Are
Mexican looking people a lower class species?
I was saying that that stereo type should put them in an uproar; it
doesn't therefore it must be mostly true. Sure there are plenty of
success stories, doesn't matter. Why do they permit/encourage their
fellows to be exploited, they ought to join me and say that to make
someone work like a Mexican is inhumane? Their thinking is clouded by
racism, that's why the contradiction.
Timothy Crowley
2007-05-14 18:34:22 UTC
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Post by j***@.
Post by Jose
Remote Access, NY - May 11, 2007
By CANDICE FERRETTE
THE JOURNAL NEWS
"There are students who don't think we're Mexican. Sometimes they'll
say, 'You don't look like a Mexican,' " said Galvez, who is tall,
light-skinned and stylish. "That's because for them a Mexican is a day
laborer or someone serving them food."
http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070512/NEW...
Mexican students learn struggles of illegal alien workers
Tell you what, when YOU get a job writing for a newspaper (don't hold
your breath) YOU might get to decide what a headline wil read. As long
as you are a no-name, do nothing Usenet troll, you have no say in the
matter. Too bad, so sad.
Rudy Canoza
2007-05-14 19:05:57 UTC
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Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by j***@.
Post by Jose
Remote Access, NY - May 11, 2007
By CANDICE FERRETTE
THE JOURNAL NEWS
"There are students who don't think we're Mexican. Sometimes they'll
say, 'You don't look like a Mexican,' " said Galvez, who is tall,
light-skinned and stylish. "That's because for them a Mexican is a day
laborer or someone serving them food."
http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070512/NEW...
Mexican students learn struggles of illegal alien workers
Tell you what, when YOU get a job writing for a newspaper
Tell you what, timmmmmmmmie - YOU just get a job, period. Full-time
extremist whiner isn't a job.
Ramon F Herrera
2007-05-14 19:21:41 UTC
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Post by Rudy Canoza
Post by Timothy Crowley
Post by j***@.
Post by Jose
Remote Access, NY - May 11, 2007
By CANDICE FERRETTE
THE JOURNAL NEWS
"There are students who don't think we're Mexican. Sometimes they'll
say, 'You don't look like a Mexican,' " said Galvez, who is tall,
light-skinned and stylish. "That's because for them a Mexican is a day
laborer or someone serving them food."
http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070512/NEW...
Mexican students learn struggles of illegal alien workers
Tell you what, when YOU get a job writing for a newspaper
Tell you what, timmmmmmmmie - YOU just get a job, period. Full-time
extremist whiner isn't a job.
How old are you, Rudy?

(you know, roughly)

-Ramon
R.S.
2007-05-20 00:41:30 UTC
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Post by Jose
Remote Access, NY - May 11, 2007
By CANDICE FERRETTE
THE JOURNAL NEWS
"There are students who don't think we're Mexican. Sometimes they'll
say, 'You don't look like a Mexican,' " said Galvez, who is tall,
light-skinned and stylish. "That's because for them a Mexican is a day
laborer or someone serving them food."
http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070512/NEW...
If you are a U.S. Citizen then why do you Identify yourself as a
Mexican and not an American of Mexican Decent?
The truth is you have no desire to assimilate into the U.S. Society
but to create your own seperate society which rails against the law of
the land for your own selfish benefits undeserved benefits.

Citizens of the United States if you Love your Country and are fed up
with Congress' back room back door agenda Stand Up be Counted and Fax
or Call Your Congressman and Senators Today or otherwise you will be
competing with 12 - 20 Million New Illegal Alien Voters who don't have
your best interests in mind.

I am not affiliated with the following websites but recommend them for
your voice to be heard:

http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet

http://www.numbersusa.com/contactcongress.html

Current Immigration Info:
http://www.numbersusa.com/index

http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

Email Congressional Staff members to make your voice heard
http://www.outsourcecongress.org/outsource/congress/schstaffers.html

Congress should be only concerned with Raising the Standard of Living
of the greatest majority Legal American Citizens / Taxpayers (i.e. the
middle class and poor), not creating a new voter base or providing big
business with cheap labor.

All other agendas should be put aside.
R.S.
2007-05-25 06:16:19 UTC
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Post by Jose
Remote Access, NY - May 11, 2007
By CANDICE FERRETTE
THE JOURNAL NEWS
"There are students who don't think we're Mexican. Sometimes they'll
say, 'You don't look like a Mexican,' " said Galvez, who is tall,
light-skinned and stylish. "That's because for them a Mexican is a day
laborer or someone serving them food."
http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070512/NEW...
If you are a U.S. Citizen then why do you Identify yourself as a
Mexican and not an American of Mexican Decent?
The truth is you have no desire to assimilate into the U.S. Society
but to create your own seperate society which rails against the law of
the land for your own selfish benefits undeserved benefits.
Citizens of the United States if you Love your Country and are fed up
with Congress' back room back door agenda Stand Up be Counted and Fax
or Call Your Congressman and Senators Today or otherwise you will be
competing with 12 - 20 Million New Illegal Alien Voters who don't have
your best interests in mind.
I am not affiliated with the following websites but recommend them for
http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet
http://www.numbersusa.com/contactcongress.html
Current Immigration Info:http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
Email Congressional Staff members to make your voice heardhttp://www.outsourcecongress.org/outsource/congress/schstaffers.html
Congress should be only concerned with Raising the Standard of Living
of the greatest majority Legal American Citizens / Taxpayers (i.e. the
middle class and poor), not creating a new voter base or providing big
business with cheap labor.
All other agendas should be put aside.
We must stop the influx of Illegal Invading Aliens or go broke trying
to enforce our Laws, rather then hand them the key to our Homes and
our Wallets to support they families, while bankrupting and putting
our own families in the poor house.

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